granny
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Received my Fathers Service Certificates today. Over 100 sheets of paper. I'm trying to tie down the date of his promotion to Conductor.
on Army Form B200b on 14th December 1939 it says "promoted unpaid WO1
A/Cdr." The next line, with the same date states "appointed Paid A/Cdr."
Next line.. dated 8th April 1940, states "Posted overseas BEF as Condr.
" ".. dated 14th December 1939, altered to read 14th March 1940, states "War Substantive Rank.. Condr.
Can anyone tell me which date I can use as my Fathers Promotion date?
Many thanks. 'Granny'.
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Mike_2817
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Are you sure it does not say WO1 S/Cdr for December 1939?
Which would make more sense.
If so your father was promoted to Warrant Officer Class 1 (Sub-Conductor RAOC) on 14th Dec 1939
Appointed to Conductor RAOC on 8th April 1940 backed to 14th March 1940
Conductor is not a promotion but an Appointment with no extra pay over Sub-Conductor
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SlickBrown
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Did any units maintain more than one Conductor/Sub Conductor at any one time?
sensible question
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granny
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Gets a bit more confusing. On Form B103-2 it states...
6th Sept. 1939 promotion to A/S/Sgt
14th Dec 1939 promoted, unpaid, WO1 A/Cdr
14th Dec 1939 promoted, paid, A/Cdr
8th April 1940 posted everseas BEF, Cdr
15th Dec 1941 reverts to W/S rank of S/Cdr
11th Mar 1943 appointed to the rank of Cdr with effect from 11. 03. 1942.
So does his date of appointment count from 14th Dec 1939 when he was promoted WO1 A/Cdr. or from his appointment as Cdr dated 11. 03. 1942?
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PaddyQ
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Quote: Originally Posted by SlickBrown
Did any units maintain more than one Conductor/Sub Conductor at any one time?
sensible question
Unit establishment would have been for Warrant Officers Class 1, not Conductor.
In large base depots it would not have been unusual to have a more than 1 Conductors in a unit but primarily filling WO1 posts.
For example, where an in post WO1 [SSM] is later appointed Conductor, nothing changes except that Warrant Officer's appointment. He remains a Warrant Officer 1 by rank.
I have know a unit to have 3 Conductors there at the same time.
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williemorton
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Quote: Originally Posted by SlickBrown
Did any units maintain more than one Conductor/Sub Conductor at any one time?
sensible question
When I was in Hong Kong there was two of us from the same unit( Comp Ord Depot) got appointed Conductor on the same day, namely, Pete Rosser and myself.
Willie
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matanvah
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In answer to your question Slick the answer would be yes.
The appointment of sub/conductor i believe was the appointment for WO1 up untill 1967 then it was changed to WO1(SSM) Staff Sgt Major)
So there would be WO1 (conductor)and WO1(sub conductor)in the same unit.
perhaps some one can confirm this?
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Geoff
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There was the possibility of more than one Cdr or Sub Cdr in any unit.
The appointment in our days were not on the establishment.
Only rank and trade. |
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PaddyQ
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Quote: Originally Posted by Geoff
The appointment in our days were not on the establishment.
Only rank and trade.
I stand to be corrected and educated.
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owers108
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The appointment Cdr is not on a unit establishment. As mentioned, the rank within a trade group is what appears. It is likely though that specific posts will attract a Cdr by way of him/her being the senior appointment. For example, as an AT WO1 (Cdr) you are likely to get the job as SAT at the ASofA, SAT of 11 EOD Regt or the Command SAT at LAND. Other trades may have similar posts which attract the appointment. |
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granny
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Another quick question for you army experts. My Father was transferred from X List to Y List a couple of times. What are these lists please? |
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Geoff
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Now if my memory serves me right;
X List was the 'Active List' and the Y List was 'Unactive List' when you were unfit because of injury or sickness.
I think? |
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granny
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Quote: Originally Posted by Geoff
Now if my memory serves me right;
X List was the 'Active List' and the Y List was 'Unactive List' when you were unfit because of injury or sickness.
I think?
Thanks Geoff. Makes sense as he did spend time in hospital during the war.
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Geoff
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Ah, another little recall.
We were 'posted to the Y List' having been admitted to hospital over 28 days. |
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